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Bucnright

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Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains
« on: September 23, 2008, 12:51:17 PM »
Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains

http://www.freerolltourny.com/order-of-seizure-of-domain-names.pdf

order-of-seizure-of-domain-names (adobe Reader Required)

The commonwealth  of Kentucky issued a seizure order on September 18, ordering  141 domains be taken from their registrants.

The Domain names shall be immediately transferred by their respective registrars to an account of the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

The seizure was taken after the Commonwealth found that the domains were being used in connection with illegal gambling activity.

However some of these domains are simply parked domains not sites taking bets.

The domains seized include: (the full list is on the adobe file)

Absolutepoker.com

Cakepoker.com

fulltiltpoker.com

indiancasino.com

bet21.com

allslots.com

bodoglife.com

bookmaker.com

Sportsbook poker.com

SportsBetting.com

superslots.com

PokerStars.com

DoylesRoom.com

GoldenPalace.com

As far as I can tell, no notice of this action was given to any of the registrants, nor was any hearing held giving the registrants an opportunity to appear

The order does talk about the court holding a hearing sometime in September to for registrants who want to claim there domain  “qualifies for return”

Obviously a very scary tactic taken by one state.

Another reason you might want to consider moving your domains to a registrar outside of the US, as this order is to the registrars of the domains, not the central registry.

Whether this move can stand legal challenge is highly questionable.

The order did state that the “domain configurations shall remain unchanged”, so the domains should continue to resolve to the registrant’s sites.  This may be an attempt to greatly limit the commonwealth damages in the event this “order” is overturned.

What is another state decided tommorow to seize adult domains, because they contained illegal obsence material?

This will not cause the registrants to hire legal representation, go to Kentucky and try to get their property back.
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Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 04:16:25 PM »
Well the big news is about a Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear fighting for the rights of Kentucky citizens. He feels that his citizens are losing “tens of millions of dollars” a year to unregulated and unlicensed online gambling. I would like to know who these players are I have not found them yet on any sites.

Ok here is what is going to happen on the 25th. This coming Thursday all gaming sites listed in the court case have to show up and show just cause why they should not have their domain name taken from them. Since the law was put into effect against online gaming in the US we all know that none of the sites will have a representative at the hearing. If this court case goes through the companies that had their domains registered through US domain registrants will lose their domain names. How will this effect you and your gaming? Several sites are already purchasing new names from overseas registry Cakepoker after the 25th might be cakepokercasino. Wow he succeeded in making a company spend $5 to register a new domain name.

If a state that has no laws on the books outlawing online gaming can seize a web site where will it stop. The laws on this are tricky only a US registered domain can be seized in a US court. If Georgia decides gambling on horses is bad for their citizens can the seize kentuckyderby.com? If Florida decides a search engine such as Yahoo, Google, Msn is bad for citizens since porn sites show up in a search can Florida seize the domain?

What you can do spread the word and contact Gov. Steve Beshear at Main Line: (502) 564-2611 Fax: (502) 564-2517 along with Circuit Judge Thomas Wingate Main line: 502-564-7013 or 502-564-8380 Fax Number: 502-564-8188. Contact civil liberties groups and ask them to attend on behalf of the citizens of the USA home of the free!  lol If they can collect taxes.
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Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 08:50:30 AM »
A forfeiture hearing before Franklin Circuit Court Judge Thomas Wingate has been continued until Friday at 3:30 p.m. More info to come.
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Kentucky Seizes 141 Gambling Domains
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 07:48:50 AM »
What is bad, these domains wer handed over, without a court orders. If anyone is following this, Kentucky's Attorney General, has said he was never ask about this, that he was surprised, as everyone else was, and that the Govenor, took this upon his own, to do. Now alot of these domains, have long been, have no active sites.
Here is a question. Is it not so, that by the Laws of the USA, that no one, in the USA, can own, or be conected to, online casinos, or poker sites, including, domains???
 Well, just make a search of Who is,  luckypyramidcasino.com.  This is not the only one, either.
Also, with some of these, domains being locked, it not only has caused, the state of Kentucky, from being locked out from sites, it has caused all USA players to be locked out.

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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2008, 01:12:07 PM »
Here is a little more update on the sieze:

October 16, 2008
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A Kentucky Circuit Court judge has dismissed all objections brought by representatives of as many as 141 Internet domain names subject to seizure and forfeiture to the Commonwealth of Kentucky, the result of an order issued by the same court late last month. Many of the domain names listed as being subject to seizure are connected with major US-facing poker sites, including PokerStars, Full Tilt, UltimateBet, DoylesRoom Room, Absolute Poker and others.

The decision issued late on Thursday by the Circuit Court Judge Thomas D. Wingate was delayed 24 hours because of "computer problems," but when it was finally released, the judge dismissed all arguments brought by the domains' legal counsel in an
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attempt to have the seizure nullified. Also opposing the state's actions were representatives from entities including the Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association (iMEGA), the Interactive Gaming Council (IGC), the Poker Players Alliance, the Internet Commerce Association, and counsel for Network Solutions, Inc., a major California-based domain registrar servicing some but not all of the domains ordered forfeited to the state.

In his decision to affirm the forfeiture, Judge Wingate dismissed serious counterpoints about Kentucky's jurisdictional reach while defining within his opinion that an Internet domain name is a "device" used in gambling, thereby making it illegal under Kentucky law. Similarly, the judge dismissed the PPA's "friend of the court" argument that poker was predominantly a game of skill, rather than chance, and should not be treated collectively along with other Internet gambling cites. Judge Wingate dismissed that argument in its entirety, noting that the Kentucky statute dictates an element of chance without specific regard as to proportions.

A more serious challenge under Judge Wingate's consideration was the matter of Kentucky's jurisdictional reach, in seizing domain names that are neither housed nor serviced in Kentucky, yet remain generally accessible via the Internet. The judge dismissed the argument that a domain name's presence has as its situs (a term defining a real-world locale of control for ephemeral entities, such as domain names) either where it is owned or housed. Defense lawyers brought up language in the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act to this effect, which Judge Wingate ruled did not apply because he did "not believe that Congress did not intend to foreclose other bases…," in effect declaring that Internet domain disputes are states-rights matters in this case.

Judge Wingate went on to state that the maintenance of a website or Internet advertisement alone is not enough to establish presence in Kentucky, and that any websites which are providing information only would have the seizure order affecting them rescinded at a later date. However, he noted that for the vast majority of the sites in question, the domain names served as the focal points for the services provided, stating that "the domain name is indispensable in maintaining the player's access to the virtual casinos…." Judge Wingate also declared that Internet geoblocking – the banning of all computers traced to Kentucky-based Internet service providers – was one way of bringing the sites into alignment with Kentucky law.

Judge Wingate also denied that any of the organizations involved in advancing the domain-name owners' defense had standing in this matter. The PPA and ICA never claimed standing, but filed briefs as friends of the court, while Network Solutions was denied official standing in the case until such time as it openly identified its relationships with some of the impacted domain names (and thereby risk submitting itself to Kentucky jurisdiction in doing so). Both the Internet Commerce Association and iMEGA were also denied standing by Judge Wingate. iMEGA's exclusion was curious in that the same organization had been granted associational standing in its federal case in seeking to have the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement ACT (UIGEA) overturned on the federal level. Judge Wingate ruled against iMEGA here based in part on the Commonwealth's assertions that the domain owners could and should be present in the court to identify themselves, and that iMEGA, without identifying its own specific ownership and interests, could not stand in for the owners themselves in any part of this matter.

Nine affected domains sent representation to the hearings, described in Judge Wingate's opinion as the "Group of 7" and the "Group of 2." Judge Wingate refused to grant their motions to dismiss on the grounds that they had not specifically identified the owners of the domains in question. The "Group of 7" consisted of PlayersOnly.com, pokerhost.com, sbglobal.com, Sportsbook poker.com, sportsinteraction.com, mysportsbook.com and linesmaker.com. The "Group of 2" consisted of goldenpalace.com and goldencasino.com. According to Judge Wingate's decision, none of the other affected domains had direct legal counsel present at the proceedings.

The decision by Judge Wingate gives the affected domains 30 days to institute geoblocking to be removed from the forfeiture portion of the case, with a final hearing set for November 17th, 2008. It is unknown at this time as to any plans for the affected domains regarding an appeal. A deeper analysis of the decision and its ramifications will appear on a future date here at PokerNews

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2008, 01:28:03 PM »
By all that I have read on this topic, I have a feeling that this judge has no notions to listen to any arguements against this sieze, of all these domains. That this judge has sided with the governor of Kentucky. This judge, doesn't care about the laws, governing this domains. I feel that this case, needs to be taken out of this judge's, hands. I feel there is no way that hearrings on this will get this settled. It will need to go to trial. More than likely, this needs to be taken to a federal court level. I do believe that this judge, needs his background looked into, that this person, is very bias, and looking for favors or has had favors given.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2008, 03:45:09 PM »
For all of us laymen out there, what will be the bottom line.

 The judgment goes through and the domains become property of the State of Kentucky.  A player who lives in a state other than Kentucky attempts to sign in at a Poker site from his exisiting account, e.g. PokerStars.

Result:  This player will fail to connect with poker site because domain name is no longer accessible?
 
If so, what will be his option to reconnect through another available .com site?

If player can no longer connect with poker site can he cash out after the fact?

 :? Any hard facts or theories will be enormously helpful.  At this point I remain confused.
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